This Whitehouse just keeps shooting itself in the foot. These attacks on a news media outlet makes the Whitehouse look real bad. If nothing else it will drive people to watch Fox and see whta they have been missing.
Perhaps the Whitehouse should put out a list of approved media outlets with approved story lines.
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The reason the Obama administration doesn't like Fox is that Fox is only major media outlet that is asking some tough questions about the goings on within the administration that the other outlets won't ask. That is supposed to be the job of journalism within a democratic society - holding the politicians accountable, but instead we have a love-fest going on between the administration and the MSM.
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The reason the Obama administration doesn't like Fox is that Fox is only major media outlet that is asking some tough questions about the goings on within the administration that the other outlets won't ask. That is supposed to be the job of journalism within a democratic society - holding the politicians accountable, but instead we have a love-fest going on between the administration and the MSM.
I agree , they want you to just praise them for all their progress !
The reason the Obama administration doesn't like Fox is that Fox is only major media outlet that is asking some tough questions about the goings on within the administration that the other outlets won't ask. That is supposed to be the job of journalism within a democratic society - holding the politicians accountable, but instead we have a love-fest going on between the administration and the MSM.
All Obama wants is pre-approved Puff Pieces saying how great he's doing. He doesn't want tough questions because he can't answer them. (Or his answers would unvail his agenda)
"Fox News commentators Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity have been strong Obama critics, and Bill O'Reilly has taken tough looks at the administration. Obama avoided "Fox News Sunday" when he visited five Sunday morning news shows last month; three aides carried the administration's message on Afghanistan, health care and the economy this Sunday to ABC, CBS, CNN and NBC, but not Fox; and a recent White House blog post accused Beck of lying. Beck has called Obama a racist.
Karl Rove, a Fox News contributor and former White House adviser to President George W. Bush, said the Obama administration is trying to demonize Fox News for asking questions officials do not like. He compared Obama's approach to that of President Richard Nixon, who included journalists on an "enemies list."
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Well, just a short take here, did you notice this list of names? Fair and balanced, so far to the right they cloned Hitler and made him part of the editorial staff. Oh wait, they don't need to do that, they are owned by Rupert Murdock, so they only had to clone Hitlers moustache.
well, just a short take here, did you notice this list of names? Fair and balanced, so far to the right they cloned hitler and made him part of the editorial staff. Oh wait, they don't need to do that, they are owned by rupert murdock, so they only had to clone hitlers moustache.
Well, just a short take here, did you notice this list of names? Fair and balanced, so far to the right they cloned Hitler and made him part of the editorial staff. Oh wait, they don't need to do that, they are owned by Rupert Murdock, so they only had to clone Hitlers moustache.
All those are Opinion and Commentary talking heads that have little or nothing to do with the News side of it. The White House is apparently unable to differentiate between the Editorial Page and the rest of the newspaper. Personally, I find the News part of Fox News more than fair and balanced, especially in comparison to the bigger networks where the bias is palpable if you know what to look for.
The White House's actions smack of sour grapes:
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The White House stopped providing guests to 'Fox News Sunday' after Wallace fact-checked controversial assertions made by Tammy Duckworth, assistant secretary of the Department of Veterans Affairs, in August. Dunn said fact-checking an administration official was "something I've never seen a Sunday show do."
"She criticized 'FOX News Sunday' last week for fact-checking -- fact-checking -- an administration official," Wallace said Sunday. "They didn't say that our fact-checking was wrong. They just said that we had dared to fact-check."
"Let's fact-check Anita Dunn, because last Sunday she said that Fox ignores Republican scandals, and she specifically mentioned the scandal involving Nevada senator John Ensign," Wallace added. "A number of Fox News shows have run stories about Senator Ensign. Anita Dunn's facts were just plain wrong."
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He still has a daily conference call with his old buddies James Carville, Rahm Emanuel, and Paul Begala.
You can count on the fingers of one hand the anchors and commentators on NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, and PBS who AREN'T grossly biased toward the far left.
I find Fox news, as opposed to their commentators and pundits like Beck and Hannity, to be very fair, unbiased and insightful. Unlike their opponents at the other networks they do not tailor their stories to the Democratic Party line but present the full picture.
Print journalism is in the same boat. The following headline is a good example:
"Poll: Most Americans Support Public Option" In todays Washington Post. if you go beyond the headlines and the lead in paragraph: "A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows that support for a government-run health-care plan to compete with private insurers has rebounded from its summertime lows and wins clear majority support from the public.", you find that large majorities of all Americans are against healthcare reform, think its a bad idea, and that the only group in which a majority support it are the Democrats. Independents, republicans and every age group are against it.
This is extreme, even grotesque editorial bias and an attempt at news management. I'd guess that the Post and ABC managed to twist the questions and sample enough to get a positive on their sacred Public Option but had to swallow the bitter facts of general and increasing public resistance to healthcare reform.
We do not have a free press in this country. 90% of them are voluntary slaves of Barak Obama and only Fox News is free.
As for the sanity of the Obama war on Fox, even some Washington Post opinion writers see how crazy it is. Unlike the editors even some of the most left wing writers like Richard Cohen have criticized Obama and Ruth Marcus pretty much calls Obama and the White House press operation a bunch of idiots:
Ruth Marcus
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Obama's dumb war with Fox News
There’s only one thing dumber than picking a fight with people who buy ink by the barrel -- picking a fight with people who don’t even have to buy ink. The Obama administration’s war on Fox News is dumb on multiple levels. It makes the White House look weak, unable to take Harry Truman’s advice and just deal with the heat. It makes the White House look small, dragged down to the level of Glenn Beck. It makes the White House look childish and petty at best, and it has a distinct Nixonian -- Agnewesque? -- aroma at worst. It is a self-defeating trifecta: it distracts attention from the Obama administration’s substantive message; it serves to help Fox, not punish it, by driving up ratings; and it deprives the White House, to the extent it refuses to provide administration officials to appear on the cable network, of access to an audience that is, in fact, broader than hard-core Obama haters.
Sure, it’s legitimate -- and standard practice -- to dispense access and coveted interviews to favored reporters and news outlets. So is subtly doing the opposite: letting a reporter who’s filed a tough story know that he or she is in the doghouse by leaking a scoop to a competitor. The Bush administration routinely briefed conservative columnists before a big presidential speech; the Obama White House tends to call in ideological sympathizers. This is the way the game is played.
Where the White House has gone way overboard is in its decision to treat Fox as an outright enemy and to go public with the assault. Imagine the outcry if the Bush administration had pulled a similar hissy fit with MSNBC. “Opinion journalism masquerading as news,” White House communications director Anita Dunn declared of Fox. Certainly Fox tends to report its news with a conservative slant -- but has anyone at the White House clicked over to MSNBC recently? Or is the only problem opinion journalism that doesn’t match its opinion? On "Fox News Sunday," host Chris Wallace replayed a quote from an Obama interview: “I don't always get my most favorable coverage on Fox, but I think that's part of how democracy is supposed to work. You know, we're not supposed to all be in lock step here.”
The reason the Obama administration doesn't like Fox is that Fox is only major media outlet that is asking some tough questions about the goings on within the administration that the other outlets won't ask. That is supposed to be the job of journalism within a democratic society - holding the politicians accountable, but instead we have a love-fest going on between the administration and the MSM.
Obama does not like the spotlight on his pink to red government, tough, better get thicker skin and get used to Fox telling it as it is. Say a little prayer for Fox as they promote the truth. Obanma has a gun law it is trying to keep under the radar that will
make it real hard to buy or continue to own all firearms. Finger prints, statment from doctor, real intrusive H.R.45 in the house. We will hear after it is passed. Next year we will have to list and pay a $50 dollar tax on each, and they will have the right to check if we secure them well enough, and we can be re evaluated at any time to see if we are still fit to own one. This is what I expected, but I'm suprised by the stealth of this bill.
Someone please tell me it is not true. Someone from the NRA needs to research this trampling of our rights. Please someone in government check this out.
The white house along with liberal news orgs like cnn attack anyone who presents the "other" side of an issue that the libs want to monopolize, healthcare, guns, taxes, global warming, and cap & trade are all good examples.
The Tea partys were perhaps the most telling of recent events that exposed the leftist views held by the white house and mainstream (liberal) media.
What is eye opening to me is that the other nutworks are mum or if they disagree with banning FOX they not very boisterous about it. This is an assualt on all media.
When I shoot IDPA, I am in competition with others. I know they say it is about the clock. OK whatever. but on the street, in a dangerous situation, I have my competitors back.
These other nutworks are giggly over this. Blind and dumb. Sad.
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The white house along with liberal news orgs like cnn attack anyone who presents the "other" side of an issue that the libs want to monopolize, healthcare, guns, taxes, global warming, and cap & trade are all good examples.
The Tea partys were perhaps the most telling of recent events that exposed the leftist views held by the white house and mainstream (liberal) media.
As if CNN, NBC and the like aren't lapdogs for the democrats. I wrote NBC off years ago when the head of NBC news proclaimed it was time for advocacy journalism (code words for bias).
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What is eye opening to me is that the other nutworks are mum or if they disagree with banning FOX they not very boisterous about it. This is an assualt on all media.
When I shoot IDPA, I am in competition with others. I know they say it is about the clock. OK whatever. but on the street, in a dangerous situation, I have my competitors back.
These other nutworks are giggly over this. Blind and dumb. Sad.
It is an assault on the freedom of the press. If it gets beyond WH posturing and into legislation, we'll see some serious beotch slapping and see who really cares about the 1A.
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2010 'all guns' must be listed on income tax form due to the new stealthy gun law H.R.45
This bill H.R.45 is congress big secret being done behind closed doors.
The sponsor 'Blair Holt's Firearm Lisencing and reccord of sale act of 2009. Check at: OpenCongress http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text
It includes a 50 dollar tax on each firearm and finger printing, physical, and mental evaluation at any time of their choosing failure to comply is a 5 year federal offense.
This is worse than Canada and Great Brittan put together, check it out, then contact your rep. We need better oversight from The N.R.A. This idea is as RED as Obama's hero Mao.......
2010 'all guns' must be listed on income tax form due to the new stealthy gun law H.R.45
This bill H.R.45 is congress big secret being done behind closed doors.
The sponsor 'Blair Holt's Firearm Lisencing and reccord of sale act of 2009. Check at: OpenCongress http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text
It includes a 50 dollar tax on each firearm and finger printing, physical, and mental evaluation at any time of their choosing failure to comply is a 5 year federal offense.
This is worse than Canada and Great Brittan put together, check it out, then contact your rep. We need better oversight from The N.R.A. This idea is as RED as Obama's hero Mao.......
Not too happy,
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They are aware of it.
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Big Brother's New Target: Tracking Firearms
H.R. 45 is essentially a reintroduction of H.R. 2666, which Rush introduced in 2007. H.R. 2666 contained much of the same language as H.R. 45, and was co-sponsored by several well-known anti-gun legislators--including Barack Obama's chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel. H.R. 45 currently has no co-sponsors.
It was introduced in January before BO was even sworn in. Been languishing ever since. It's the Son Of another bill that went nowhere. Hope this has the same fate.
I tend to think it's just crap. The Congress would have to totally reverse itself on allowing BATF to keep a gun registry and require a license before the exercising of a Constitutional Right. Both issues have attracted bills that have gone down in flames before.
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HOW MANY SUBSCRIBERS TO THIS SITE ARE AWARE OF IT?
Those who operate should send a copy of this bill to every subscriber for safety sake
This is the scariest thing I have heard scince Fox News was declared an enemy of the state. This is shades of stalin, Mao, and HITLER. This ought to be heard in public. This operation of congress behind closed doors is exactly what Obama ran for office against.
Even the minority party is locked out of these sessions, and it seems the Democrats are in lockstep, goose stepping behind their leader in a style not seen scince Hitler. Where are the Bluedog Democrats when we need them.
Today it's freedom of speech in the attack on FOX NEWS cable channel, next it will be us, "WE THE PEOPLE".
NEXT GOES OUR GUNS, THEN HOW WILL WE DEAL TYRANY? The gestapo will have guns
and the criminals, where will that leave us?........ I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD MOST FOLKS STAY OUT OF, DRUGS, MURDER, ASSAULT, b&e, AND A SENIOR LIKE ME MUST DEFEND MYSELF WITH MY BARE HANDS?......
THE BILL IS: H.R.45 BLAIR HOLT'S FIREARM LISENCEING AND RECORD OF SALE ACT OF 2009..................... http.www:senate.gov/ "search for the bill number SB-2099
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If this goes through behind closed doors, we won't hear about it till it is the law of the land.
Call your rep's in congress & Senate after you read this stuff they are going to do to us.
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The white house along with liberal news orgs like cnn attack anyone who presents the "other" side of an issue that the libs want to monopolize, healthcare, guns, taxes, global warming, and cap & trade are all good examples.
The Tea partys were perhaps the most telling of recent events that exposed the leftist views held by the white house and mainstream (liberal) media.
Cnn is liberal?
Yeah the tea party, your fair and ballanced source said millions of people were there, and the others said about 50K? Counting heads should not be a matter of editorial policy, now should it? I watched the coverage of the DC march and CNN bent over backwards not to ask any of the dummies they interviewed any hard questions at all. Had I been asking the questions I would have quickly exposed these nitwits, showing them to lack real information to support their strong opinions, but CNN was nice to them, some liberal media.
Of course, if you need to sell the idea of being perpetual victims in order to alienate a section of the public, toward the end of making them react in unison to your desires, then cultivating the myth of liberal media is essential. This will keep the faithful in touch with the source of brainwashing and instill in them a contempt for more objective, dangerous, news sources. In reality media is mostly owned by the money and is either an outreach for them to brainwash, or they are only in it for the dough and need to sell soap. My biggest complaint with them is that they seem more dedicated to the endless propagation of popular culture BS then any real news at all.
Fox news, even the hard news, is often not objective at all, simply looking at it and questioning the phrasing, the missing information, and the tone of it is plenty to show the bent of it. Often, when Fox has a liberal on for the opposing point of view, it isn't even a real liberal, it is some bozo they recruited to play the part showing how dumb they are.
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OK, the newsmax story is interesting, but from the data, only 17% of the people that watch FOX News several times a week say they are Democrats. I would have to be included in that 17% as I watch it for a bit several times a week while I flip back and forth trying to avoid; commercials, absurdly boreing stories, popular culture based stories, human interest stories, and continous news stories about things I don't give a damn about. My watching of FOX has more to do with the fact that Dish put all the news stations next to each other, than any other factor.
I used to say I was an independent as I always tried to vote for the candidate that lied to the public the least, but since for the last decade that has been all Dems in every single election (except once for Perot), even the small state and local ones, I now say I'm one of them. But I think I need to revise my selection methods, as I now see that Republicans have to appeal to supporters that have been so well primed with half truths and lies by pundits and preachers that they simply have to yap nonsense or not have any chance at all. I think this is a case where the media is actually lowering the ethical standards of some pretty fine people, at least in the only category I have to evaluate them, and that is what they (have too?) say.
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Cnn is liberal?
Yeah the tea party, your fair and ballanced source said millions of people were there, and the others said about 50K? Counting heads should not be a matter of editorial policy, now should it? I watched the coverage of the DC march and CNN bent over backwards not to ask any of the dummies they interviewed any hard questions at all. Had I been asking the questions I would have quickly exposed these nitwits, showing them to lack real information to support their strong opinions, but CNN was nice to them, some liberal media.
Of course, if you need to sell the idea of being perpetual victims in order to alienate a section of the public, toward the end of making them react in unison to your desires, then cultivating the myth of liberal media is essential. This will keep the faithful in touch with the source of brainwashing and instill in them a contempt for more objective, dangerous, news sources. In reality media is mostly owned by the money and is either an outreach for them to brainwash, or they are only in it for the dough and need to sell soap. My biggest complaint with them is that they seem more dedicated to the endless propagation of popular culture BS then any real news at all.
Fox news, even the hard news, is often not objective at all, simply looking at it and questioning the phrasing, the missing information, and the tone of it is plenty to show the bent of it. Often, when Fox has a liberal on for the opposing point of view, it isn't even a real liberal, it is some bozo they recruited to play the part showing how dumb they are.
The very reason so many "alternative news sources have developed is because of all the failing and dishonest liberal news outlets, people instinctively know its propaganda.
Cnn is liberal?
Yeah the tea party, your fair and ballanced source said millions of people were there, and the others said about 50K? Counting heads should not be a matter of editorial policy, now should it? I watched the coverage of the DC march and CNN bent over backwards not to ask any of the dummies they interviewed any hard questions at all. Had I been asking the questions I would have quickly exposed these nitwits, showing them to lack real information to support their strong opinions, but CNN was nice to them, some liberal media.
Of course, if you need to sell the idea of being perpetual victims in order to alienate a section of the public, toward the end of making them react in unison to your desires, then cultivating the myth of liberal media is essential. This will keep the faithful in touch with the source of brainwashing and instill in them a contempt for more objective, dangerous, news sources. In reality media is mostly owned by the money and is either an outreach for them to brainwash, or they are only in it for the dough and need to sell soap. My biggest complaint with them is that they seem more dedicated to the endless propagation of popular culture BS then any real news at all.
Fox news, even the hard news, is often not objective at all, simply looking at it and questioning the phrasing, the missing information, and the tone of it is plenty to show the bent of it. Often, when Fox has a liberal on for the opposing point of view, it isn't even a real liberal, it is some bozo they recruited to play the part showing how dumb they are.
If you are still upset about the numbers at the tea party (being grossly under-reported), go to c-span and count them yourself.
If you are still upset about the numbers at the tea party (being grossly under-reported), go to c-span and count them yourself.
Don't have to count them,
Remember that officials estimate 1.8 million attended President Barack Obama’s inauguration on January 20th, and the views of that gathering dwarf the views of the baggers.
These must be more of them facts you so love to talk about?
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Don't have to count them,
Remember that officials estimate 1.8 million attended President Barack Obama’s inauguration on January 20th, and the views of that gathering dwarf the views of the baggers.
These must be more of them facts you so love to talk about?
Apparently you never even looked at the c-span pictures. That is pretty par for the course for you, talk a lot of bull. You say the dem's can't agree on anything, yet prior to Obee, even during Bush' years, and even in support of Bush, they found some pretty durn good agreement. You seem to pull facts out of some deep dark place I would rather not speak of.
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2010 'all guns' must be listed on income tax form due to the new stealthy gun law H.R.45
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