White House vs FOX

[2dumb2kwit]

Originally Posted by freesw

you can't escape the obvious dishonesty of tagging a large populist movement .....


He's deliberately practicing deception, sleight of hand, like so many of the other right wingers here do.

That's pretty good, free. Misrepresent a large group of people, while your fussing about someone misrepresenting a large group of people.

Un-friggin' believable!

[freesw]

Originally Posted by 2dumb2kwit

That's pretty good, free. Misrepresent a large group of people, while your fussing about someone misrepresenting a large group of people.

Un-friggin' believable!

Sadly for you, it's not misrepresentation at all. It's sad you don't recognize that.

[2dumb2kwit]

Originally Posted by freesw

but rather have been infected with the right wing spirit of deception and political opportunism.

Yeah....only the right wing does those things.

[Captain E]

Originally Posted by freesw

There is nothing subjective about it.

Captain E is deliberately confusing the Progressive movement of a century ago, when the reforms bugeye referred to were implemented, with his paranoid version of contemporary history, i.e., his false claim that today's progressives are communists. Even if one were to stipulate that it's all just interpretative, you can't escape the obvious dishonesty of tagging a large populist movement of a hundred years ago with the communist tag, when it clearly wasn't. Captain E refers even to the collapse of the Soviet Union, which did not even exist a hundred years ago. He's deliberately practicing deception, sleight of hand, like so many of the other right wingers here do. If it's not deliberate, it's still his fault, because he's pretending to know something and pass it off as truth when it is untrue. It's disgusting.

I was not referring to the progressive party of a century ago, but to what exist currently. Every thing I have found on the internet concerning a progressive party, or party with "progressive" in the name verifies their platforms are communism. The one I was referring to, the only one that exist at a national level, is the Progressive Labor Party. Their website conforms everything I have said. Other websites for smaller state progressive parties, such as the Vermont Progressive Party, also state as their principles the same principles held by the communist party.

I do not take kindly to being called a liar, especially by someone such as yourself who is continuously trying to mislead, and revises history on a daily basis.

In short, if you don't like being called a communist - stop talking like one!

[bugeye]

Originally Posted by Captain E

Show me one example of a Representative or Senator, or President from the communist party that was elected to office.

My post is honest and factual. Your attempt to re-write history to make everything good from the liberals and everything bad from conservative is what is offensive! I am well aware of the attempts to get your propaganda in schools! I am well aware of the attempt to revise history the liberals are carrying out. Luckily, most others in this country see through your lies too. I'm sure I will soon see how Lincoln was a Democrat, and how Rush Limbaugh's ancestors were single-handedly responsible for bringing slavery to the world!

According you you wackos, Obama, ha!

We aren't talking about communists we are talking liberals, yes I know all us folks look alike to you righties but you could at least refer to the program.

Give me your list of conservatives directly involved in the labor movement, anti child labor, the 40 hour week, etc.Put up or shut up!

Rush ancestors were way to fat to do anything of that kind, I do think they ate several elderly slaves that were slow enough for them to catch!

You maybe think the postion of the political parties might have changed in 150 years?

[reverendg]

Originally Posted by bugeye

According you you wackos, Obama, ha!

We aren't talking about communists we are talking liberals, yes I know all us folks look alike to you righties but you could at least refer to the program.

Give me your list of conservatives directly involved in the labor movement, anti child labor, the 40 hour week, etc.Put up or shut up!

Rush ancestors were way to fat to do anything of that kind, I do think they ate several elderly slaves that were slow enough for them to catch!

You maybe think the postion of the political parties might have changed in 150 years?

Now that was a credit to liberalism......eating slaves huh?

[jjk308]

Originally Posted by reverendg

Now that was a credit to liberalism......eating slaves huh?

Revisionism and no sense of humor whatsoever.

[kilroy63]

the real funny thing about liberals and slaves, is that liberals make it sound like the south was the only ones to have slaves.....aka the right......but as we all know prior to the civil war everyone had slaves, north and south, and since slaves were part of the economic structure people looked the other way, it was lincoln himself that decreed any existing states that had slaves could keep them, new states could not join the union and have slaves, so in the north where there were more industrial jobs than agricultrail , there was no great need for slaves......so setting the slaves free was based more on economics and political gain than actual concern for thier freedom.....and ever since then the left has been pandering look what we did for you, vote dem, had the north really needed slaves to keep thier economy running it would have been a looooooog time till they were freed.....not condoning slavery, just real tired of hearing about the holier than thou, we are better than you, liberal thinking.........the problem with liberal thinking is this, we are willing to fight with every drop of your blood, it's a sacrafice but it's one were willing to make..........we talk about freedom equality and freedom of choice, but thats only for the elite, the rest of us do what you say and everyhing will be fine......bullsh$t!!!

[bugeye]

Originally Posted by kilroy63

the real funny thing about liberals and slaves, is that liberals make it sound like the south was the only ones to have slaves.....aka the right......but as we all know prior to the civil war everyone had slaves, north and south, and since slaves were part of the economic structure people looked the other way, it was lincoln himself that decreed any existing states that had slaves could keep them, new states could not join the union and have slaves, so in the north where there were more industrial jobs than agricultrail , there was no great need for slaves......so setting the slaves free was based more on economics and political gain than actual concern for thier freedom.....and ever since then the left has been pandering look what we did for you, vote dem, had the north really needed slaves to keep thier economy running it would have been a looooooog time till they were freed.....not condoning slavery, just real tired of hearing about the holier than thou, we are better than you, liberal thinking.........the problem with liberal thinking is this, we are willing to fight with every drop of your blood, it's a sacrafice but it's one were willing to make..........we talk about freedom equality and freedom of choice, but thats only for the elite, the rest of us do what you say and everyhing will be fine......bullsh$t!!!

Freeing the slaves was not in my list of good things given us by liberals and conservatives, so that would be a fatal flaw in your argument, right? So you can save your blood, you should use it to try and run your mind a bit better.

[Captain E]

Originally Posted by bugeye

Freeing the slaves was not in my list of good things given us by liberals and conservatives, so that would be a fatal flaw in your argument, right? So you can save your blood, you should use it to try and run your mind a bit better.

So how much weed does it take to run your mind better??

[Captain E]

Originally Posted by bugeye

According you you wackos, Obama, ha!

We aren't talking about communists we are talking liberals, yes I know all us folks look alike to you righties but you could at least refer to the program.

Give me your list of conservatives directly involved in the labor movement, anti child labor, the 40 hour week, etc.Put up or shut up!

Rush ancestors were way to fat to do anything of that kind, I do think they ate several elderly slaves that were slow enough for them to catch!

You maybe think the postion of the political parties might have changed in 150 years?

Obama is from the democratic party, although most of his positions are in line with the stated goals of the communist party. We were talking about the progressive party, and as I pointed out, it is associated with the communist party or with former communsit, and is also in line with the stated goals of the communist party.

Since you don't seem to be capable of making a point without calling people wacko, or accusing others of outlandish things - since your only points are based on hate and not facts, perhaps YOU should shut up.

[freesw]

Capt E is mistaken and woefully ignorant of the history he claimed to know, for the precise reasons I stated already. That he persists in posting erroneous claims is nothing unique to him here, unfortunately.

[Captain E]

Originally Posted by freesw

Capt E is mistaken and woefully ignorant of the history he claimed to know, for the precise reasons I stated already. That he persists in posting erroneous claims is nothing unique to him here, unfortunately.

There is nothing mistaken about my post. You can look up the information yourself on the websites I quoted. Your continued claims otherwise are nothing more than an attempt to hide the truth. I am sorry you cannot accept it, however I am not surprised considering it is very prevalent among far left liberals.

Show a website for progressives that does not have stated goals of higher taxes for the rich to redistribute the wealth, centralized government control or oversite of corporations, making food, housing, education, and energy government controlled and non-profit, elimination of capitalism.

Have any?

[kilroy63]

hey bugeye,

my mind works just fine, and you did mention slavery in referance to the right......not making that up.......something about eating them?......wierd.....
i think he has been smoking weed,,,,,,,,waaaaaaay toooooo much

[freesw]

Originally Posted by kilroy63

hey bugeye,

my mind works just fine, and you did mention slavery in referance to the right......not making that up.......something about eating them?......wierd.....
i think he has been smoking weed,,,,,,,,waaaaaaay toooooo much

http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html

A Modest Proposal

For Preventing The Children of Poor People in Ireland
From Being Aburden to Their Parents or Country, and
For Making Them Beneficial to The Public

By Jonathan Swift (1729)

[kilroy63]

hey free

here is somethig that will floor you, cause you would never think an uneducated redneck with no culture like me would know.........did you know that beathoven's mother was a prostitute? had she an abortion there would have never been beathoven.......that is why he was deaf, his mother had std's.......i'm a redneck with culture!!!!!!!! kind of puts a twist on the ole abortion arguement.......but i am not getting into that though.......

ps the eating babies thing made me laugh, i hope that guy wasen't serious, cause you really have to wait till thier at least three years old...................

[freesw]

Originally Posted by kilroy63

i hope that guy wasen't serious,

rest assured

[bugeye]

Originally Posted by kilroy63

hey bugeye,

my mind works just fine, and you did mention slavery in referance to the right......not making that up.......something about eating them?......wierd.....
i think he has been smoking weed,,,,,,,,waaaaaaay toooooo much

Yes, as a joke in reference to Rush's ancestors, but it was a response to this post quoted below that bridged the subject. I would never list freeing the slaves a a liberal - progresssive acomplishment, as it happened through an expedient in wartime.

I haven't smoked any weed in years, but I did just have a snort of two of some really good tequilla.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain E
Show me one example of a Representative or Senator, or President from the communist party that was elected to office.

My post is honest and factual. Your attempt to re-write history to make everything good from the liberals and everything bad from conservative is what is offensive! I am well aware of the attempts to get your propaganda in schools! I am well aware of the attempt to revise history the liberals are carrying out. Luckily, most others in this country see through your lies too. I'm sure I will soon see how Lincoln was a Democrat, and how Rush Limbaugh's ancestors were single-handedly responsible for bringing slavery to the world!