PerfectUnion BBS http://www.perfectunion.com/vb This is a firearms discussion forums en Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:14:40 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/images/misc2/rss.jpg PerfectUnion BBS http://www.perfectunion.com/vb New user: reliability after installing ultimak http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74398&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:05:35 GMT Last week I bought a new 581 series mini-14 ranch rifle (wooden stock). Yesterday I went to the range and put around 30 rounds through it. It... Last week I bought a new 581 series mini-14 ranch rifle (wooden stock).

Yesterday I went to the range and put around 30 rounds through it. It performed flawlessly and I shot 3.5" groups at 50 yrds using the iron sights.

Last night I installed the ultimak rail and a Bushnel Holosight. This improved my accuracy. Once the sight was dialed in I shot a 2.5" group which is very good for me. However I had two malfunctions in around 20 rounds.

The first was when a spent cartridge failed to completely exit the gun which caused a jam. The second which seems more serious is that a spent cartridge was still in the bore with another bullet jammed behind it.

I am shooting 55gr 0.223 Winchester UMC ammo. I'm using the 5 round magazine that came with the gun.

Does anyone know how to troubleshoot this problem? One of the deciding factors in buying this gun was the reputation for reliability. Since I had no problems the first day I assume that the changes I made installing the rail could have caused it. I have other magazines on order so can try that to see if my factory magazine is bad (I admit that I did drop it once).

Thanks for any help. ]]> Ruger Mini-14 Talk bgator http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74398 Off To Them Thar Hills http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74397&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:15:59 GMT WV that is. We'll be chasing Bambi around the woods up there. I hope everyone has a fun and safe Thanksgiving. And remember our military folks and there families in your prays as we sit down to dinner on Thur. Its because of them, we live in the Land of The Free. They are keeping the wolfs of war from our great county. Thank you Ladies and Gentleman. God Bless, CM out
 ]]> Hunting/Game Pix Camera man http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74397 3 thousand rounds of 5.7x28 rounds great deal!! http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74396&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:04:10 GMT im selling 3 thousand rounds of 5.7x28 ammo for sale. Looking to get $1,000 or I would trade for a springfield EMP. I am located in NJ would rather... im selling 3 thousand rounds of 5.7x28 ammo for sale. Looking to get $1,000 or I would trade for a springfield EMP. I am located in NJ would rather the deal be FTF but shipping can be done at buyers expense. ]]> For Sale - MISC devilmoon http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74396 <![CDATA[which ammo do Mini-14's like?]]> http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74395&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:59:41 GMT Hello fellow mini-14 fans. I am soon to be the new owner of a NRA Special Edition Mini-14. Will these Mini-14's eat anything you feed them or are they picky eaters? Any input would be welcomed.
Respectfully,
Spaniard ]]> Ruger Mini-14 Talk spaniard http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74395 <![CDATA[Remington's (known) DEFECTIVE trigger system: Approx. 4 mill]]> http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74394&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:02:22 GMT Someone else is going to be killed/murdered by this known defect to Remington's bolt guns.

http://www.drinnonlaw.com/Texas-Defe...mington700.php

Defective Remington 700 Bolt-Action Rifle

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Remington’s Defective Trigger System

A Historical Summary

Extensive Claims and Litigation History

1.Remington has been aware that its bolt-action rifles will sometimes fire absent a trigger pull.

2.To date, Remington has received thousands of customer complaints of unintended discharge for the Model 700 and 710 alone. Over 100 injured individuals have sued Remington over the same defective design. Remington and its insurers have paid to settle most of the claims rather than admit the defect and pay the cost of a recall and refit thereby leaving millions of persons at risk of their lives and those of their family and friends. click on here to review Remington memo January 2, 1979 wherein Remington admits to its own defect and recognizes the danger to its customers)


3.Ignoring thousands of customer complaints, Remington refused to recall its rifles, install a new trigger, or warn its customers of the potential danger. (click on here to review Remington memo dated January 2, 1979 wherein Remington admits to its own defect and recognizes the danger to its customers)


4.Instead, Remington designed the new 710 (introduced in 2001) using the very same defective M700 fire control.


5.Not surprisingly, Remington has already received numerous complaints from its customers of unintended discharge, mirroring the complaint history of the 700.


The Defect

1.Remington’s trigger mechanism uses an internal component called a “connector” – a design component not used by any other rifle manufacturer. The connector floats on top of the trigger body inside of the gun, but is not physically bound to the trigger in any way other than tension from a spring. When the trigger is pulled, the connecter is pushed forward by the trigger, allowing the sear to fall and fire the rifle.


2.The proper position of the connector under the sear is an overlap of only 25/1000ths of an inch, but because the connector is not bound to the trigger, the connector separates from the trigger body when the rifle is fired and creates a gap between the two parts.


3.Any dirt, debris or manufacturing scrap can then become lodged in the space created between the connector and the trigger, preventing the connector from returning to its original position.


4.Remington’s defective fire control could have been redesigned to eliminate the harm or danger very inexpensively. There is no valid engineering reason why the successfully utilized connectorless designs could not have been used by Remington in its Model 700 and 710.


5.In fact, Remington has recently done just that for the Model 700 with a newly designed trigger, the X-Mark Pro. That design, which eliminates the connector, was completed in 2002. However, Remington chose to continue with its prior unsafe design for financial reasons, never warning the public. Even today, Remington installs the new fire control into some but not all of its bolt-action rifles, leaving many users at risk with the old and defective design.


Jury Verdicts and Appellate Court Opinions of Remington’s Defective Fire Control
1.In Lewy v. Remington, 836 F.2d 1104, 1106-07 (8th Cir. 1988); the Eighth Circuit upheld a finding of punitive damages against Remington in 1985.


2.In Campbell v. Remington Arms Co., 1992 WL 54928 (9th Cir. 1992)(unpublished opinion); affirmed a jury verdict of $724,000 based on a fire on bolt closure, finding no error.


3.Later in 1992, the Texas Supreme Court, in Chapa v. Garcia, specifically describes Remington’s fire control as “defective.”


4.In 1994, a Texas jury rendered a verdict in Collins v. Remington after Glenn Collins lost this foot to a Model 700 accidental discharge. The jury found that the fire control was defective and awarded a $15 million in exemplary damages. The total verdict was in excess of $17 million. (click on here to review Business Week article entitled “Remington Faces A Misfiring Squad”)


5.The verdicts stopped with the Collins verdict. After that, Remington settled all claims. Instead of recalling or replacing the defective fire control, Remington has quietly paid almost $20 million to settle claims out of court, finally replacing the fire control only in 2007.


Remington’s Redesign Efforts After the $17 million Collins Verdict

1.After Collins, Remington again contemplated a recall and again recognized the need to redesign its fire control. Internal documents detail Remington’s extensive knowledge of the problem. However, until it finally introduced a new fire control in 2007 (a design that eliminates the connector), Remington consistently chose to forego a safer design.
Timeline of Redesign Efforts

1.In 1995, Remington openly acknowledges the need to “fix” the fire control and “eliminate” ‘Fire on Safety Release’ malfunction.”


2.In 1997, when Remington embarked on the design of the Model 710, documents reflect Remington’s desire not to include the M700 “Walker” –based fire control in the M710.


3.Remington designers then developed several connectorless fire controls for the M710. Remington documents clearly show that the new designs were favored (“The new concept barrel and fire control analysis was complete with excellent results.”)


4.However, the designs met their downfall during Remington’s economic analysis. Project spending was put on hold in May 1998 “until economics and project is approved.” That approval never came. In August 1998, the safer designs were abandoned due to an “estimated cost increase.”


5.Remington instead decided to pull the unsafe Model 700 fire control off the shelf and use it in the new Model 710 to “eliminate development cost and time.”


6.As Remington began its internal testing of the new Model 710 (with the old Model 700 fire control installed), Remington, knowing the history of the design, warned its internal testers of the possibility of inadvertent discharge;
For each of the four rounds in the magazine the tester will close the bolt “smartly” –(i.e. as quickly as practical” –and be prepared for the rifle to inadvertently follow down or fire.

No such warning is provided to customers that purchase the Model 700 or 710, nor was such a warning given to the Barber parents, whose son died as the result of the trigger defect. (click on here to review excerpts from – CBS News 2001)

1.In 2000, a Model 710 rifle fired on bolt closure during Remington’s testing. Remington’s own expert witness in litigation admits that Remington “could not nail down” the reason for the discharge without a trigger pull.


2.In preparation for the introduction of the M710 to market, Remington Consumer Team Meeting minutes from 2001 reveal that Remington planned for personal injuries of its customers as a result of inadvertent discharges from Model 710 rifles:
Safety/Injury Calls and the Model 710 – Ken – If a consumer calls with a safety concern, (i.e. FSR, fires when closed, personal injury or property damage, etc), these calls AND firearms go to Dennis or Fred

1.Predictably, Remington began receiving reports of injury and accidental discharge from the Model 710 almost identical to the thousands of complaints it had received from the Model 700 soon after its release.

APPROXIMATELY FOUR MILLION DEFECTIVELY DESIGNED REMINGTON TRIGGERS ARE STILL BEING TRUSTED AND USED BY THE UNSUSPECTING AMERICAN SPORTSMAN. ]]> Bolt Action Talk Double Ott http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74394 <![CDATA[Remington's (known) DEFECTIVE trigger system: Approx. 4 mill]]> http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74393&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:55:23 GMT APPROXIMATELY FOUR MILLION DEFECTIVELY DESIGNED REMINGTON TRIGGERS ARE STILL BEING TRUSTED AND USED BY THE UNSUSPECTING AMERICAN SPORTSMAN. ... APPROXIMATELY FOUR MILLION DEFECTIVELY DESIGNED REMINGTON TRIGGERS ARE STILL BEING TRUSTED AND USED BY THE UNSUSPECTING AMERICAN SPORTSMAN.

http://www.drinnonlaw.com/Texas-Defe...mington700.php

Defective Remington 700 Bolt-Action Rifle

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Remington’s Defective Trigger System
A Historical Summary

Extensive Claims and Litigation History

1.Remington has been aware that its bolt-action rifles will sometimes fire absent a trigger pull.

2.To date, Remington has received thousands of customer complaints of unintended discharge for the Model 700 and 710 alone. Over 100 injured individuals have sued Remington over the same defective design. Remington and its insurers have paid to settle most of the claims rather than admit the defect and pay the cost of a recall and refit thereby leaving millions of persons at risk of their lives and those of their family and friends. click on here to review Remington memo January 2, 1979 wherein Remington admits to its own defect and recognizes the danger to its customers)


3.Ignoring thousands of customer complaints, Remington refused to recall its rifles, install a new trigger, or warn its customers of the potential danger. (click on here to review Remington memo dated January 2, 1979 wherein Remington admits to its own defect and recognizes the danger to its customers)


4.Instead, Remington designed the new 710 (introduced in 2001) using the very same defective M700 fire control.


5.Not surprisingly, Remington has already received numerous complaints from its customers of unintended discharge, mirroring the complaint history of the 700.


The Defect

1.Remington’s trigger mechanism uses an internal component called a “connector” – a design component not used by any other rifle manufacturer. The connector floats on top of the trigger body inside of the gun, but is not physically bound to the trigger in any way other than tension from a spring. When the trigger is pulled, the connecter is pushed forward by the trigger, allowing the sear to fall and fire the rifle.


2.The proper position of the connector under the sear is an overlap of only 25/1000ths of an inch, but because the connector is not bound to the trigger, the connector separates from the trigger body when the rifle is fired and creates a gap between the two parts.


3.Any dirt, debris or manufacturing scrap can then become lodged in the space created between the connector and the trigger, preventing the connector from returning to its original position.


4.Remington’s defective fire control could have been redesigned to eliminate the harm or danger very inexpensively. There is no valid engineering reason why the successfully utilized connectorless designs could not have been used by Remington in its Model 700 and 710.


5.In fact, Remington has recently done just that for the Model 700 with a newly designed trigger, the X-Mark Pro. That design, which eliminates the connector, was completed in 2002. However, Remington chose to continue with its prior unsafe design for financial reasons, never warning the public. Even today, Remington installs the new fire control into some but not all of its bolt-action rifles, leaving many users at risk with the old and defective design.

Jury Verdicts and Appellate Court Opinions of Remington’s Defective Fire Control

1.In Lewy v. Remington, 836 F.2d 1104, 1106-07 (8th Cir. 1988); the Eighth Circuit upheld a finding of punitive damages against Remington in 1985.


2.In Campbell v. Remington Arms Co., 1992 WL 54928 (9th Cir. 1992)(unpublished opinion); affirmed a jury verdict of $724,000 based on a fire on bolt closure, finding no error.


3.Later in 1992, the Texas Supreme Court, in Chapa v. Garcia, specifically describes Remington’s fire control as “defective.”


4.In 1994, a Texas jury rendered a verdict in Collins v. Remington after Glenn Collins lost this foot to a Model 700 accidental discharge. The jury found that the fire control was defective and awarded a $15 million in exemplary damages. The total verdict was in excess of $17 million. (click on here to review Business Week article entitled “Remington Faces A Misfiring Squad”)


5.The verdicts stopped with the Collins verdict. After that, Remington settled all claims. Instead of recalling or replacing the defective fire control, Remington has quietly paid almost $20 million to settle claims out of court, finally replacing the fire control only in 2007.
Remington’s Redesign Efforts After the $17 million Collins Verdict

1.After Collins, Remington again contemplated a recall and again recognized the need to redesign its fire control. Internal documents detail Remington’s extensive knowledge of the problem. However, until it finally introduced a new fire control in 2007 (a design that eliminates the connector), Remington consistently chose to forego a safer design.
Timeline of Redesign Efforts

1.In 1995, Remington openly acknowledges the need to “fix” the fire control and “eliminate” ‘Fire on Safety Release’ malfunction.”


2.In 1997, when Remington embarked on the design of the Model 710, documents reflect Remington’s desire not to include the M700 “Walker” –based fire control in the M710.


3.Remington designers then developed several connectorless fire controls for the M710. Remington documents clearly show that the new designs were favored (“The new concept barrel and fire control analysis was complete with excellent results.”)


4.However, the designs met their downfall during Remington’s economic analysis. Project spending was put on hold in May 1998 “until economics and project is approved.” That approval never came. In August 1998, the safer designs were abandoned due to an “estimated cost increase.”


5.Remington instead decided to pull the unsafe Model 700 fire control off the shelf and use it in the new Model 710 to “eliminate development cost and time.”


6.As Remington began its internal testing of the new Model 710 (with the old Model 700 fire control installed), Remington, knowing the history of the design, warned its internal testers of the possibility of inadvertent discharge;
For each of the four rounds in the magazine the tester will close the bolt “smartly” –(i.e. as quickly as practical” –and be prepared for the rifle to inadvertently follow down or fire.

No such warning is provided to customers that purchase the Model 700 or 710, nor was such a warning given to the Barber parents, whose son died as the result of the trigger defect. (click on here to review excerpts from – CBS News 2001)

1.In 2000, a Model 710 rifle fired on bolt closure during Remington’s testing. Remington’s own expert witness in litigation admits that Remington “could not nail down” the reason for the discharge without a trigger pull.


2.In preparation for the introduction of the M710 to market, Remington Consumer Team Meeting minutes from 2001 reveal that Remington planned for personal injuries of its customers as a result of inadvertent discharges from Model 710 rifles:
Safety/Injury Calls and the Model 710 – Ken – If a consumer calls with a safety concern, (i.e. FSR, fires when closed, personal injury or property damage, etc), these calls AND firearms go to Dennis or Fred

1.Predictably, Remington began receiving reports of injury and accidental discharge from the Model 710 almost identical to the thousands of complaints it had received from the Model 700 soon after its release.

APPROXIMATELY FOUR MILLION DEFECTIVELY DESIGNED REMINGTON TRIGGERS ARE STILL BEING TRUSTED AND USED BY THE UNSUSPECTING AMERICAN SPORTSMAN.
__________________ ]]> Rifles Misc Double Ott http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74393 2X Red Dot http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74392&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:09:29 GMT Anyone have any experience with a 2X red dot?
I want a little magnification but not so much that It is a problem for close range shots.
I'm looking for the best of both worlds, quick target acquisition and ample magnification at 100 + yards

Also is there any real benefit of having a red and green dot over just a red? In what situation is the green needed or better suited? ]]> Ruger Mini-14 Talk Cire5 http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74392 <![CDATA[reloading for a mini 14 with 1-7" twist]]> http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74391&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:34:18 GMT From what I have read projectile weight should be from 65 grain to 80 grain for a 1 in 7" twist rate (185 series mini 14) to get the best stability and the larger weight projectiles are longer.

Seating the projectile too deep can cause pressures to rise to catastrophic levels.

What is the longest projectile that can be used in the mini 14 so the round is not too long for the magazines?

Could I load an 80 grain projectile to the depth required for reliable magazine feeding without seating it too deep in the case?

This would be used for hunting rabbits, foxes, goats and deer so hollow points, ballistic tipped or other such projectiles would be used and FMJ are off the list.

Also I have a set of 2 Lee reloading dies not the deluxe set, should I get the factory crimp die or just use the roll crimp?

I have reloaded for 9mm pistol before but never for rifle, I have the 7th edition of the Hornady reloading manual as a general guide, I can buy other manuals if needed. ]]> Reloading Ballistic http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74391 Couple of mine http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74390&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:11:09 GMT I built these guys from the ground up.They are all from ak builder flats.I also do my own wood color and palmswells Image:... I built these guys from the ground up.They are all from ak builder flats.I also do my own wood color and palmswells




]]> AK Gallery Ding http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74390 Factory 10 Rounders?? http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74389&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:27:56 GMT Ruger is listing 10 round mags on its website. Anybody know if they are factory mags or are these aftermarket ones such as Promags? I have 4 10... Ruger is listing 10 round mags on its website. Anybody know if they are factory mags or are these aftermarket ones such as Promags?

I have 4 10 round promags. 2 feed fine, 1 not so much, 1 crappy.

If Ruger made a factory 10 I would buy several. If anyone knows, chime in. ]]> Ruger Mini-14 Talk GuapOh http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74389 Stainless Mini http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74388&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:00:01 GMT I could use a little help with this: I'm not sure what a fair price would be. I have for sale my stainless/synthetic 196 series mini. I don't know what its worth, but I need to part with it. It has a muzzle brake, accu-strut, 3 40rnd and 2 30 rnd ss mags. bushnel 3x9 scope, sling and harris bi-pod. well under 1000 rounds. Great condition. If I figure out how to get some pictures of it on here I will post them If I can't I could send anyone interested what I have. Thanks for looking
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]]> For Sale - Complete Firearms ssmini http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74388 <![CDATA[H & R Model 360]]> http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74387&goto=newpost Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:13:47 GMT Hello,

I have a friend who has an H&R model 360 in .308. He just got it and since it's about 40 years old he can't find take down instructions. I did some digging and didn't come up with much. I haven't had a chance to look the rifle over. Does anyone know how to take down the gun for cleaning?

Thanks,

Kyle ]]> Rifles Misc kjoiner http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74387 AR Parts and ammo http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74386&goto=newpost Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:09:59 GMT I have some extra parts that I can get away with unloading. 3 Black Pmags w/window ($15 each) 15 UTG rail covers (Black, $10 for all of them)... I have some extra parts that I can get away with unloading.
3 Black Pmags w/window ($15 each)
15 UTG rail covers (Black, $10 for all of them)
160rds Privi Partizan 55gr FMJ ($10 per 20 rds or $70 for all)
RRA Stock Handguard (OD, Mid-Length, $15)
RRA Stock......Stock (OD, Commercial spec, 6-Point retractable, $20)
C-Products 30rd mag ($10)
Charles Daley 20rd mag (Black, GREAT mag $10)
A2 Flash Hider ($10)
It will all ship for cheap. Add $3 to everything here but $5 for the ammo
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]]> For Sale - Parts Joey http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74386 Mini-14 580 rear sight http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74385&goto=newpost Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:07:29 GMT Are there any other rear sights that will fit an 580? Its a really nice firearm but I would like a more precise rear sight. Any suggestions??????... Are there any other rear sights that will fit an 580? Its a really nice firearm but I would like a more precise rear sight. Any suggestions?????? Thanks ]]> Mini-14 - Accurizing castcreator http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74385 WTS/ Beretta 9mm 92 mags http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74384&goto=newpost Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:57:29 GMT I have 2-20 rnd Beretta mags and 1- 32 rnd (ProMag I think) I used these mags in my cx4 but they will work in a Beretta 92 pistol. The 2-20rnd mags... I have 2-20 rnd Beretta mags and 1- 32 rnd (ProMag I think) I used these mags in my cx4 but they will work in a Beretta 92 pistol. The 2-20rnd mags have about 150 rounds through them combined and have never had a problem with them, the 32rnd mag was bought used,looks new but I never used it. I want to sell all together $60 free shipping
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]]> For Sale - Magazines AARON7980 http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74384